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Post by courtneywalsh on Mar 31, 2011 10:02:04 GMT -5
Is Sunil Gavaskar a good player, a good commentator or neither of those.
I have never liked Gavaskar, will try to reason them out. Please share your views.
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Post by sehwag on Mar 31, 2011 10:45:15 GMT -5
I hold Gavaskar in the same category as that of SRT simply because he played the game when the game was still in its early stages and safety equipments were at a bare minimum.
I would want to know how many of these new players can face the new-age quicks without a helmet and still manage to score as many runs as this great man did!
He truly was/is a legend as far as I'm concerned!
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Post by courtneywalsh on Mar 31, 2011 11:26:28 GMT -5
sehwag: While I don't question his technique. His attitude towards the team always bothered me. He needs to answer me these and apologize to the nation 1. The famous 36 Not out. He wouldn't have played any more ODI's had I been the selector. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunil_Gavaskar#Controversies2. You are not greater than the nation. What was he doing here?. Conceding the match?. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrp53wKHgb0Incidentally, we won the match due to excellent bowling by Kapil who bowled after taking pain killers and against the advice of Dr. Narotam Puri (if I remember correctly) www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63281.html3. Dropping Kapil in the Calcutta test match. Drop Kapil for playing irresponsible shots or was it because Kapil was threatening his record of consecutive tests?. To me Vishy was a legend. Gavaskar was just a good player who put his interests above the team interests. |
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Post by modus_operandi on Mar 31, 2011 14:58:14 GMT -5
cw,
total BS. Gavaskar is a legend and the best opener india has seen. Without him India wouldnt have won their first testseries in WI.
Taking on the best WI fast bowlers in their own backyard is no mean task and he scored most of his runs against WI. He is much better batsmen than Tendulakar. Vishy was a flashy player like Srikanth and nothing else. Just stop your BS.
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Post by courtneywalsh on Mar 31, 2011 22:31:27 GMT -5
cw, total BS. Gavaskar is a legend and the best opener india has seen. Without him India wouldnt have won their first testseries in WI. Taking on the best WI fast bowlers in their own backyard is no mean task and he scored most of his runs against WI. He is much better batsmen than Tendulakar. Vishy was a flashy player like Srikanth and nothing else. Just stop your BS. Yes, he is the best opener. Better than Tendulkar?. Yes. I would call the WI series an aberration as Gavaskar was just making his debut and didn't learn to play politics  . Did he play for the country always was the question . Vishy's centuries have resulted in more wins, which matters to me. You might consider this as a century. I don't. www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=5106.0If at all you want to play for the crowd, play the total 20 mandatory overs. Not 19.1 overs to score your century and then walk back to the pavilion. Out of his 34 centuries, 20 were gems. Other 14 were plain rubbish. |
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Post by paneersoda on Mar 31, 2011 22:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by sportsisking on Mar 31, 2011 23:11:47 GMT -5
#4
The link you posted says Zaheer Abbas along with his teammates walked towards pavilion (to leave) after the shot SMG made hit boundary. Why do you blame SMG for that 19.1 overs and call the century as tainted?
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Post by courtneywalsh on Apr 1, 2011 0:09:15 GMT -5
#4 The link you posted says Zaheer Abbas along with his teammates walked towards pavilion (to leave) after the shot SMG made hit boundary. Why do you blame SMG for that 19.1 overs and call the century as tainted? He just played for the century. Gavaskar had no qualms walking back along with Zaheer after scoring the century. He should have insisted on 20 overs being bowled. At least there would've been some reasoning behind it and it would've been a principled stand. As someone who watched the match live on TV, I wanted to see 20 overs if he was playing for the viewers who were watching the match. I usually don't agree with Pakistanis but had to agree with Zaheer who said I like Sunil to beat Bradman's record but not this way. |
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Post by paneersoda on Apr 1, 2011 2:05:30 GMT -5
Gavaskar is a good player but his commentary is monotonus and boring most of the times. He still uses phrases like Out Swinger is the bowler's stock ball which moves away from the right hander. TV Viewers have grown up, Gavaskar needs to realize this. Chappell, Tony Greig, Geoff Boycott, Tony Cozier offer interesting analysis on the match and what a Captain should do or shouldn't do. Have never seen such analysis from Gavaskar.
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Post by modus_operandi on Apr 1, 2011 11:55:54 GMT -5
#4 The link you posted says Zaheer Abbas along with his teammates walked towards pavilion (to leave) after the shot SMG made hit boundary. Why do you blame SMG for that 19.1 overs and call the century as tainted? He just played for the century. Gavaskar had no qualms walking back along with Zaheer after scoring the century. He should have insisted on 20 overs being bowled. At least there would've been some reasoning behind it and it would've been a principled stand. As someone who watched the match live on TV, I wanted to see 20 overs if he was playing for the viewers who were watching the match. I usually don't agree with Pakistanis but had to agree with Zaheer who said I like Sunil to beat Bradman's record but not this way. Was india winning in that match...NO Then why were you watching that match at the end...most people would be watching to see Gavaskar score a century... you are posting total BS....Do you think any other indian captain has the guts to walkout of the match like Gavaskar did against Australia...What he brought to indian cricket both as a commentator and captain is attitude to stand up against bullying by the Australian and English players and Commentators. Before Gavaskar it was all biased commentary by the english and Australians. Every indian cricket fan should be thankful for that and stop posting crap. From your id , you look like a WI cricket fan..no wonder you dont like him..he beat the crap out of you guys |
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Post by iplrocks on Apr 1, 2011 12:05:26 GMT -5
M_O,
Why so offensive : ) ? Cool down, CM is discussing an incident of 28 years ago. Most of the members here must be nanhe-munhe (young kids) then.
SMG was considered the selfish one compared to Vishy in media circles and CM might hold same opinion. He is entitled for his opinions.
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Post by courtneywalsh on Apr 1, 2011 12:09:12 GMT -5
Modus, You never answered my first post . If you are playing for the crowd, play till the end. You are paid to do that. Who knows 5 wickets could've fallen in next 5 balls and might have been a world record. Btw, wasn't MV Gothaskar (umpire for that match) related to Gavaskar in some way? Yes, Kumble showed the better way and won accolades in the Sydney test couple of years back. I have never seen Richie Benaud, Ian Chappell to be biased. Neither was Geoff Boycott or Ian Botham (although I can't understand him most of the times ). I think Gavaskar should be thankful to the selectors for still selecting him after the epic 36 not out and not the other way around. Of course I am an WI fan. They might win or lose but will provide you class entertainment (not so much these days. Hope it changes) not the boring stuff which the likes of Gavaskar bring to the plate. |
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Post by modus_operandi on Apr 1, 2011 12:18:49 GMT -5
M_O, Why so offensive : ) ? Cool down, CM is discussing an incident of 28 years ago. Most of the members here must be nanhe-munhe (young kids) then. SMG was considered the selfish one compared to Vishy in media circles and CM might hold same opinion. He is entitled for his opinions. He is talking bad about a legend and he is not an indian cricket fan as well, what do you expect Vishy , except for his square cut and maybe a a couple of innings has done nothing in his career...total waste of talent. Winning is itself selfish, lets tell the indian team to be not selfish and let Srilanka to win the world cup I am out of this crappy thread. |
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Post by courtneywalsh on Apr 1, 2011 12:37:02 GMT -5
M_O, Why so offensive : ) ? Cool down, CM is discussing an incident of 28 years ago. Most of the members here must be nanhe-munhe (young kids) then. SMG was considered the selfish one compared to Vishy in media circles and CM might hold same opinion. He is entitled for his opinions. He is talking bad about a legend and he is not an indian cricket fan as well, what do you expect Vishy , except for his square cut and maybe a a couple of innings has done nothing in his career...total waste of talent. Winning is itself selfish, lets tell the indian team to be not selfish and let Srilanka to win the world cup I am out of this crappy thread. Vishy hasn't done badly against WI either. His 97 against WI is regarded as the 2nd best non-century innings (it resulted in India win) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundappa_Viswanath. Winning after playing fair is not selfish. It might be just me, when Gavaskar completed 60 years recently I remembered only the way he batted in 60 overs . For Viswanath, I remembered the Bob Taylor recall incident. Yes, India lost the game after the recall but the only thing which everyone remembers that the spirit of the game was upheld. |
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Post by modus_operandi on Apr 1, 2011 13:19:04 GMT -5
CW,
in india, selector are a bunch of jokers, like Amarnath said, and corrupt. Gavaskar was brave enough to show his displeasure to them in public by scoring 36 instead of sucking up their behind.
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